Stevie Ray Vaughan: It’s Star Time!
from Guitar World Vol., No. 6, November 1985 (Cover Story)

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Part 2

SO THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER. Vaughan, Shannon and Layton together, talking about the new record could scarcely contain their excitement. A lot of people have wondered how far yet another Texas guitarslinger could carry the blues thing, and Vaughan has attempted to formulate an answer. He wanted to make a happy record, he said, full of buoyant moods. Shorter songs, less heavy breathing from the guitar, some new instrumental combinations. On Soul to Soul, you hear a lot of the Stevie Ray Vaughan trademarks, but it still has a good-time, uptown feel — a strong trace of r&b — that separates it from Vaughan’s first two albums. The guitar showpieces are there, but it’s clear that Vaughan sets out to accomplish something different with this record.

“I’m real close to it, and so it’s hard to get a good perspective on it,” he said, “but there’s a lot of rockin’ songs and then some that we’ve never played before. There’s definitely blues in it — not less blues than before — but it’s a type of music that we haven’t really tried before, some different kinds of changes. There are a few other players here and there that people won’t expect, some keyboards [ex-Delbert McClinton ivories tinkler Reese Wynans has been added to Double Trouble. — ed.].

At that particular time, the band was working nightly at Dallas Sound Laboratory, a 48-track digitally-capable facility in the Dallas Communications Complex at Las Colinas, just northwest of the city. They’d booked the studio in great 24-hour chunks of time, and had even recorded rehearsals, and Vaughan was finding those sorts of conditions pretty luxurious — one of the benefits of having two successful albums under his belt. It helped shape the character of the music on the new record.

“It’s helping a lot,” Vaughan explained, “because we’ve gotten to work on individual technique and things, so that we’ve come down to playing more like we wanted to play in the first place. To do that we had to cut in the studio and sit down and listen to it. We’ve always been forced to work a lot faster than this before, and we play so many gigs on the road that we don’t have the time to listen to ourselves as closely as we should all the time. You go and play for an hour and a half and then go to the next place, and you don’t get a chance to catch what’s changing in your music, what’s working and what’s not working. We love to play shows — don’t misunderstand me on that — but it’s hard to ask how did we improve, or did we? We have fun when we play, but the studio is a blessing that a lot of people forget about, maybe.”

He said that we were recording the album the “old way”, live, in the same room together, and without headphones. “I’ve got every amp I own in the studio and all going all out at once,” Vaughan laughed. “They had to build a new monitor system for us.” The studio, he explained, was set up like a stage, but with the amps aimed in such a way that the other players could hear what was coming out of them. Vaughan even played drums on one cut, but it was too slow, so the song was speeded up to raise it’s pitch a half-step.

“We’re recording the old way and using the best modern equipment we can find, and it’s a good combination,” Vaughan said. “We go in and cut a song a few times if we need to, or just do a set. At this point, we’re pretty fine tuned, and we’re watching it grow as it goes. We’re all looking at it, and we have a lot of ideas, things we’ve wanted to have a chance to work with.”

Double Trouble had toured for 18½ months prior to the release of Couldn’t Stand the Weather in ‘84, and then they took two months off before starting a new project. “We didn’t realize how hard it was to just go play cold, without playing in front of people again. I’d never thought about that before. We’d rehearse — try to play this and that — but we didn’t play in front of people. You’d be amazed how hard it is not to play in front of people.”

In any case, you don’t get the sense that a lot of career planning goes into a Double Trouble album — no big calculations about how it should sound or how may units it should sell. What’s charted, mainly, is the growth of Vaughan and the band.

“We’re trying for feeling. We try to accomplish something with the music, which is to feel through things. I’ve been trying to grow up some myself, in my heart, and it’s happening quick. I feel good about it, and I want that to come out in the music”.

Meanwhile, Vaughan remains — like many Texas guitarists — a diehard Stratocaster player who uses a minimum of effects. For the new album, he’s stuck mostly with the white, Strat-style guitar he posed with for the cover of Couldn’t Stand The Weather. Built in 1983 for Vaughan by his friend, the late Dallas guitar dealer and repairman Charley Wirz, the guitar features Danelectro pickups and custom wiring. The instrument’s sound is exemplified by the light quickly strummed break in “Tin Pan Alley Blues,” which was recorded with only a low Leslie effect.

A simple message is engraved a the metal plate where the neck joins the body on the back of the guitar: “To Stevie From Charley. More in ‘84.” It’s rather characteristic of the generous spirit that Vaughan’s early success inspired in many of his old Texas fans — indeed, Soul To Soul is dedicated to Wirz.

“I’ve been going between that guitar, the beat-up ‘59 Strat and the other guitar that Charley found for me, a ‘61 Strat” said Vaughan. “It’s brutal. They a have that neck, and I associate them with Charley — I didn’t get the ‘59 from him, but he worked on it so may times that it feels like I did, I guess. I like the white one. It sounds like my old beat-up one, but it’s cleaner, not quite as full-sounding. And Charley never told anybody but me what he did when he wired it.

“But that’s the sound,” he added. “That Leslie and that guitar, if the amp’s working clean. You have to use the right amp, like a Super, with the Leslie and a Vibraverb head — it’s really a steel guitar head. If you set ‘em all up in a live room, it sounds great. I don’t use a chorus — I like to get that sound with a Leslie too. It’s old-fashioned, but I’m trying to bring it up-to-date.”

Vaughan is fairly vague about his amp set-up, though he admits to keeping two Vibraverbs, two Super Reverbs, a Dumble 150-watt Steel String Singer (which he’d stopped using for a while, but returned to recently) and the Leslie all hooked together. The actual combination, he explained, was determined over a period of time by which amp worked when, until he accidentally came up with a combination that he liked.

Other amps seem to come and go — indeed, in the several weeks between interviews, he’d acquired another Fender. “They’re hooked up pretty straight I guess,” he grinned. “I have a Tube Screamer, a wah and the Leslie on my pedal board, and a on-off switch for everything, so that when I switch it off, between the guitar and amp there ain’t nothin’. When I do a song like ‘Third Stone From The Sun,’ I can’t control the feedback with the effects on. It goes crazy, so I switch ‘em all off ad then kick it back in when I’m done. It’s mostly straight though — a weird set-up — but pretty straight.” In addition to that, he continues to play with his guitar tuned a half-step low — “E-flat tuning” he calls it — and he said that before Wirz died earlier this year, they had discussed building a custom-scale neck that would allow Vaughan to use the tuning without transposing with concert-pitch instruments. It sounds like a impossible idea, but who knows? When two stone guitar fools like Stevie and Charley got together, anything was possible.

Vaughan’s use of the low-pitch tuning was Hendrix inspired, in any case. He did a lot,” said Stevie Ray. “It gives you different overtones. It’s an interesting sound, and I find it a lot easier to sing to.” He’s also acquired the wah pedal used by Hendrix to record “Up From The Sky.” He speaks without any self-consciousness about Hendrix, with whom he has often been compared. In May, Vaughan played a solo version of “The Star Spangled Banner” at the Houston Astros’ home opener at the Astrodome. Immediately, people recalled the world-weary, apocalyptic version played by Hendrix at Woodstock in 1969. And the performance triggered yet a new round of comparisons between Hendrix and Stevie.

“I heard they even wrote about it in one of the music magazines said Vaughan. “They tried to put the two versions side by side. I hate that stuff. His version was great.” And yet the comparison exists — if only because Vaughan includes at least one, or two (and sometimes three) Hendrix songs in each live show, because he featured a well known Hendrix song (“Voodoo Chile”) on his second album, and most of all, perhaps, because he captures the spirit of the improvisational Hendrix on stage more accurately than any other contemporary guitarist.

An affinity obviously exists. In Texas, Vaughan is regarded by his old crowd as a hot blues player with a tight band and a lot of rock and roll in his sound; the blues variations are still common in Texas clubs. His music has been refined and expanded by all the work and opportunities that have come his way in the past two or three years, but at its core, it’s still the steamy, torrid blues he played in the late-Seventies. The people outside Texas — those less familiar with his story, who know his work only from records and the hype of the last few years — have turned Vaughan’ s long-standing love for Hendrix’s work into a point of comparison. Vaughan himself feels it’s all been overplayed.

According to one person in his organization, Vaughan labored long and hard over the decision to add “Voodoo Chile” to Couldn’t Stand The Weather, and that he finally decided to include the song because he felt that his younger audience hadn’t heard Hendrix, and he wanted to spread the word.

“I loved his music, and I feel like it’s important to hear what he was doing, just like anybody else, like Albert, B.B. or any of that stuff,” Vaughan remarked. “I wanted to do the song, but I didn’t want to mistreat it. I try to take care of his music, and it takes care of me. Treat it with respect, not as a burden-like you have to put a guy down ‘cause he plays from it. That’s crazy. I respect him for his life and his music.”

At a Dallas Show in late April, Vaughan used the Wirz Strat and the ‘59, and, when a string broke on that guitar, a custom Hamilton. On slow blues like “Tin Pan Alley,” the white guitar had a thin, edgy, cutting sound, sweet but hard. The ‘59 Strat is a fuller, chunkier-sounding guitar, more of a rocker, more typical of the thick tones on Couldn’t Stand The Weather; it is Vaughan’s instrument of choice when he does Hendrix covers.

While they weren’t airing many new tunes that night — it was a free concert with Lonnie Mack, in front of a hometown crowd — Double Trouble were debuting their new keyboard player (who appears on Soul To Soul), Reese Wynans. Vaughan himself played beautifully that night: his slow blues remain vehicles for gorgeous displays of phrasing and tone, and he has a growing arsenal of tricks and techniques, from his flowing, syncopated strum (“Pride And Joy”) to funky, overstated string-snapping effects. In the past two years, he’s learned a lot about working an audience as well. In the clubs he was a straightforward, stand-up player. Today he’s a good showman as well. “Getting that passion,” says Stevie Ray, “that’s what I try to do.”

Within days of the Dallas date, the new Lonnie Mack album, Strike Like Lightning (Alligator), finally hit the stores; it was the first record from the legendary guitarist in some seven years. While Vaughan downplays his role as co-producer — it’s his first production effort outside Double Trouble — it’s clear enough from the handful of guitar duels included on the album that Vaughan helped create a heck of a guitar album. Vaughan, of course, has always acknowledged Mack’s influence on his own playing — “Wham!” was the first single he ever owned — and the two hit it off wonderfully when they finally began working together. The empathy and interplay is obvious.

Vaughan remembered the first time he met Mack. It was 1978 or ‘79, and an earlier version of Double Trouble (without Layton) was playing in a club in Austin when Mack walked in. “I was playing the second chord of ‘Wham!’ that night when he came through the door,” Vaughan said. “We did the shit outta ‘Wham!’ It was cookin’. And there was Lonnie Mack. At first, I didn’t even recognize him. Man, it was like magic.” At the time, Mack was assembling a new road band, and he approached Vaughan about joining him. That never came to pass, of course, but the two remained friends over the years. When Alligator signed Mack in mid-1984, Mack and Alligator president Bruce Iglauer talked to Vaughan about producing the record, and he agreed instantly.

“They were his tunes, and I just tried to help him with what he wanted to do with the record; that’s what I think producing is,” Vaughan said. “A lot of producing is just being there, and with Lonnie, just reminding him of his influence on myself and other guitar players. Most of us got a lot from him. Nobody else can play with a whammy bar like him: he holds it while he plays, and the sound sends chills up your spine. You can’t do that with a Stratocaster. “I just didn’t want to sound like I was trying to direct the record.” Things are moving pretty fast for Vaughan, but he has a feeling that this is only the beginning. The beginning wasn’t David Bowie’s Let’s Dance, which helped showcase his work to the greater rock and roll public, or even Texas Flood, whose chart success seemed to surprise just about everyone, because of how far-removed it was from the pop mood of that moment.

The beginning is now — this new attitude, the self-sustenance and self-reliance, the sense of faith in the future. What Vaughan stands to accomplish, perhaps, is an important service to the blues. The music is widely enough recognized as the foundation of rock and roll, but Vaughan may have the opportunity to bring the blues back into the current mainstream of rock in new ways, at a new level. He may, in fact — as Albert King has suggested — take the color out of the blues.

“I do feel as though I’ve grown as a player through all this,” Vaughan remarked at one point. “It’s funny — I’m trying to get back to how I used to play years and years ago, and yet, at the same time, to make those ideas grow, tie them into what we’re doing now. I guess I’m just remembering where all these things come from. It’s all pretty regular music to me, what I grew up with: the Glorytunes, Johnny G. and the G-Men. I used to hear some of those old bands in Dallas, at the Heights Theater in Oak Cliff, in ‘62 and ‘63.

“Now, I use heavy strings, tune low, play hard, and floor it.” He laughed. “Floor, it.” Another chuckle. “That’s technical talk.” 

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